Monday, May 15, 2006

Introduction and Basic Principles

The generation and use of energy is central to the maintenance of organization. Life itself is a state of organization maintained by the continual use of sources of energy. Human civilization has reached the state it has by the widespread use of energy, and for the large fraction of the world that aspires to a higher standard of living, more energy will be required for them to achieve it.

Therefore, I embrace the idea that we need energy, and probably need much more of it than we currently have. We should never waste energy, and should always seek to use energy efficiently as possible and practical, but energy itself will always be needed.

This weblog is about the use of thorium as an energy source of sufficient magnitude for thousands of years of future energy needs. Thorium, if used efficiently, can be converted to energy far more easily and safely than any other energy source of comparable magnitude, including nuclear fusion and uranium fission.

Briefly, my basic principles are:

1. Nuclear reactions (changes in the binding energy of nuclei) release about a million times more energy than chemical reactions (changes in the binding energy of electrons), therefore, it is logical to pursue nuclear reactions as dense sources of energy.

2. Changing the binding energy of the nucleus with uncharged particles (neutrons inducing fission) is much easier than changing the nuclear state with charged particles (fusion), because fission does not contend with electrostatic repulsion as fusion does.

3. Naturally occuring fissile material (uranium-235) will not sustain us for millennia due to its scarcity. We must fission fertile isotopes (uranium-238, thorium-232) which are abundant in order to sustain energy production for millenia. Fertile isotopes such as U-238 and Th-232 basically require 2 neutrons to fission (one to convert, one to fission), and require fission reactions that generate more than 2 neutrons per absorption in a fissile nucleus.

4. For maximum safety, nuclear reactions should proceed in a thermal (slowed-down) neutron spectrum because only thermal reactors can be designed to be in their most critical configuration, where any alteration to the reactor configuration (whether through accident or intention) leads to less nuclear reactions, not more. Thermal reactors also afford more options for achieving negative temperature coefficients of reactivity (which are the basic measurement of the safety of a nuclear reactor). Reactors that require neutrons that have not been slowed significantly from their initial energy (fast-spectrum reactors) can always be altered in some fashion, either through accident or intention, into a more critical configuration that could be dangerously uncontrollable because of the increased reactivity of the fuel. Basically, any fast-spectrum reactor that is barely critical will be extremely supercritical if its neutrons are moderated in some way.

5. "Burning" uranium-238 produces a fissile isotope (plutonium-239) that "burns" inefficiently in a thermal (slowed-down) neutron spectrum and does not produce enough neutrons to sustain the consumption of uranium-238. "Burning" thorium-232 produces a fissile isotope (uranium-233) that burns efficiently in a thermal neutron spectrum and produces enough neutrons to sustain the consumption of thorium. Therefore, thorium is a preferable fuel, if used in a neutronically efficient reactor.

6. Achieving high neutronic efficiency in solid-fueled nuclear reactors is difficult because the fuel sustains radiation damage, the fuel retains gaseous xenon (which is a strong neutron poison), and solid fuel is difficult to reprocess because it must be converted to a liquid stream before it is reprocessed.

7. Fluid-fuel reactors can continuously strip xenon and adjust the concentration of fuel and fission products while operating. More importantly, they have an inherently strong negative temperature coefficient of reactivity which leads to inherent safety and vastly simplified control. Furthermore, decay heat from fission products can be passively removed (in case of an accident) by draining the core fluid into a passively cooled configuration.

8. Liquid-fluoride reactors have all the advantages of a fluid-fueled reactor plus they are chemically stable across a large temperature range, are impervious to radiation damage due to the ionic nature of their chemical bond. They can dissolve sufficient amounts of nuclear fuel (thorium, uranium) in the form of tetrafluorides in a neutronically inert carrier salt (lithium7 fluoride-beryllium fluoride). This leads to the capability for high-temperature, low-pressure operation, no fuel damage, and no danger of fuel precipitation and concentration.

9. The liquid-fluoride reactor is very neutronically efficient due to its lack of core internals and neutron absorbers; it does not need "burnable poisons" to control reactivity because reactivity can continuously be added. The reactor can achieve the conversion ratio (1.0) to "burn" thorium, and has superior operational, safety, and development characteristics.

10. Liquid-fluoride reactors can retain actinides while discharging only fission products, which will decay to background levels of radiation in ~300 years and do not require long duration (>10,000 year) geologic burial.

11. A liquid-fluoride reactor operating only on thorium and using a "start charge" of pure U-233 will produce almost no transuranic isotopes. This is because neutron capture in U-233 (which occurs about 10% of the time) will produce U-234, which will further absorb another neutron to produce U-235, which is fissile. U-235 will fission about 85% of the time in a thermal-neutron spectrum, and when it doesn't it will produce U-236. U-236 will further absorb another neutron to produce Np-237, which will be removed by the fluorination system. But the production rate of Np-237 will be exceedingly low because of all the fission "off-ramps" in its production.

12. We must build thousands of thorium reactors to displace coal, oil, natural gas, and uranium as energy sources. This would be impractical if liquid-fluoride reactors were as difficult to build as pressurized water reactors. But they will be much simpler and smaller for several reasons. They will operate at a higher power density (leading to a smaller core), they will not need refueling shutdowns (eliminating the complicated refueling equipment), they will operate at ambient pressure and have no pressurized water in the core (shrinking the containment vessel dramatically), they will not require the complicated emergency core cooling systems and their backups that solid-core reactors require (because of their passive approach to decay heat removal), and their power conversion system will be much smaller and power-dense (since in a closed-cycle gas turbine you can vary both initial cycle pressure and overall pressure ratio). In short, these plants will be much smaller, much simpler, much, much safer, and more secure.

That said, I am not an apologist for the nuclear industry. I think that a fundamental mistake was made when thorium was overlooked as the prime nuclear fuel in favor of uranium, and this blog is an attempt to explain my position on that topic. In such a position, I think I stand in some good company. Dr. Alvin Weinberg, former director of the Oak Ridge National Laboratory and inventor of the pressurized-water reactor (he holds the patent) said in 1970:


The achievement of a cheap, reliable, and safe breeder remains the primary task of the nuclear energy community. (In expressing this view, I suppose I betray a continuing frustration at the slow progress of fusion research, even though the Russian success with the tokamak has quickened the pace.) Actually not much has changed in this regard in 25 years. Even during World War II, many people realized that the breeder was central. It is only now, with burner reactors doing so well, that the world generally has mobilized around the great aim of the breeder.

As all readers of Nuclear Applications & Technology know, the prevailing view holds that the LMFBR is the proper path to ubiquitous, permanent energy. It is no secret that I, as well as many of my colleagues at ORNL, have always felt differently. When the idea of the breeder was first suggested in 1943, the rapid and efficient recycle of the partially spent core was regarded as the main problem. Nothing that has happened in the ensuing quarter-century has fundamentally changed this.

The successful breeder will be the one that can deal with the spent core most rationally—either by achieving extremely long burnup, or by greatly simplifying the entire recycle step. We at Oak Ridge have always been intrigued by this latter possibility. It explains our long commitment to liquid-fueled reactors-first, the aqueous homogeneous and now, the molten salt.

The molten-salt system has been worked on, mainly at Oak Ridge, for about 22 years. For the first 10 years, our work was aimed at building a nuclear aircraft power plant. The first molten-salt reactor, the Aircraft Reactor Experiment, was described in a series of papers from Oak Ridge that appeared in the November 1957 issue of Nuclear Science and Engineering.

The present series of papers reports the status of molten-salt systems, and particularly the experience we have had with the Molten-Salt Reactor Experiment (MSRE). The tone of optimism that pervades these papers is hard to suppress. And indeed, the enthusiasm displayed here is no longer confined to Oak Ridge. There are now several groups working vigorously on molten salts outside Oak Ridge. The enthusiasm of these groups is not confined to MSRE, nor even to the molten-salt breeder. For we now realize that molten-salt reactors comprise an entire spectrum of embodiments that parallels the more conventional solid-fueled systems. Thus molten-salt reactors can be converters as well as breeders; and they can be fueled with either 239Pu or 233U or 235U.

However, we are aware that many difficulties remain, especially before the most advanced embodiment, the Molten-Salt Breeder, becomes a reality. Not all of these difficulties are technical. I have faith that with continued enlightened support of the US Atomic Energy Commission, and with the open-minded, sympathetic attention of the nuclear community that these papers should encourage, molten-salt reactors will find an important niche in the unfolding nuclear energy enterprise.

Weinberg's faith in the AEC was unjustified, for just a few years later they moved to kill the liquid-fluoride reactor in favor of the liquid-metal fast breeder. I think this was (and is) a mistake, for only in the liquid-fluoride reactor can we find the safety, economy, and efficiency needed to unlock the potential of thorium energy for tens of thousands of years.

28 comments:

Daniel Work said...

Hi Kirk
Is there any relationship between the "Liquid-Fluoride Reactor" and the "Molten Salt Reactor" from the gen 4 project?

http://nuclear.inl.gov/gen4/msr.shtml

Kirk Sorensen said...

Yes, the "molten-salt reactor" as it is generally called is a liquid-fluoride reactor. I prefer specifying it as a fluoride reactor because fluoride are the halide (salt) of choice. Other halide-reactors have been proposed, such as liquid-chloride reactors, but only liquid-fluoride reactors have actually been built and operated.

Using the term "fluoride" also establishes that the fluorine is in the ionic form (bound with a cation) rather in the elemental (fluorine) form, where it is very reactive. In the ionic form, fluoride is extremely chemically stable and inert. In fact, you probably brushed your teeth with some fluoride this morning (sodium fluoride).

Tom Benson said...

Question for you:

Do you know to what extent this design has been been considered in India, since they are the most agressive nation in terms of pursuing Thorium fuelled reactors?

Kirk Sorensen said...

I'm not sure how extensively LFRs were considered in India...I have a few papers written at the Bhabha Atomic Research Center on the topic back in the early 1970s. I'm guessing that when the US AEC abandoned the LFR in the 1970s that other countries followed suit as well. Although you do find the occasional researcher (Russian, French, or Japanese) who looks at the technical merit of the concept and says, "Why did you ever stop working on this?"

Tom Benson said...

OK, another question. Based on what you know so far, would the MSR design being built as part of Gen IV be adaptable for Thorium. I mean, you can just imagine how the discussion went when they were trying to narrow down the designs "Well, what about Floride salts with Thorium". "Nahhh...too far out for this stage. Let's do a U 238 molten salt reactor this time, then if it pans out we can adapt that to Thorium"

Kirk Sorensen said...

Hi Tom,

There is no Gen-IV effort on the liquid-fluoride reactor right now. I know the websites carry links and even show a picture here and there, but I've talked with the guys who actually get the DOE appropriation for this work each year. It's about $40K, which they tell me is enough to "answer the phone and go to a conference"...there is no development work going on.

The Gen-IV effort had been concentrated on the very-high-temperature gas-cooled reactor, but that ran into all kinds of problems (no surprise--solids aren't very good thermal conductors!) and now they're being told a closed fuel-cycle is more important than hydrogen, so they're dusting off the old plans for the sodium-cooled fast breeders (which aren't supposed to breed anymore, just burn up transuranics).

I kind of laugh between tears at this because you can have a far better (and more closed) fuel cycle with the LFR, AND the temperatures needed to thermochemically generate hydrogen. But then again, heck, if you can generate electricity at 50% efficiency (which we can do if we couple the LFR to a helium gas turbine) you don't even need to generate the hydrogen thermochemically. Just make electricity and use electrolysis to make the hydrogen anywhere you want it.

The LFR design shown in the Gen-IV cartoons looks a bit like a ripoff of the Aircraft Reactor Experiment (which used a NaF-ZrF4-UF4 salt)...the salt to use is LiF-BeF2, it's much better neutronically. Making this reactor run on thorium is far easier than trying to waste time getting it to run on natural uranium--no thermal reactor will ever run well on natural uranium (i.e. achieve a high-burnup fraction, and I'm not talking about U-235, I'm talking about all the uranium).

The fluoride volatility process doesn't work on plutonium--the neutronics are all wrong--and you've still got the weapons connection. Why bother? Just run on thorium in the first place and those problems go away--this reactor was born to run on thorium, and thorium has waited for this reactor. They're a perfect match.

Tom Benson said...

OK, what about U233 as a weapons risk? Wouldn't that be easy to divert from the Protactinium-233 "hold" phase (instead of readmitting all the U233 back to the reactor, you divert a bit of it into storage.

By the way Kirk, please don't take these questions as potshots. This is very intriguing and I'm just trying to get a fix on the basics.

Kirk Sorensen said...

That's where having a conversion ratio (CR) of 1.0 is so important. Yes, you could take and hold your protactinium and let it decay. But if you don't get that U-233 back into the reactor, your k-effective will drop below 1.0 and the reactor will shut down for lack of fuel. And when the power goes out, people are going to wonder why and start investigating. So a reactor that has a CR of 1.0 can't afford to divert U-233 and not get noticed--there isn't any to divert.

Even if you got the fissile, you'd be back at square one for building a bomb. U-233 has not been used in weapons before, and assuming you got some ex-Russian weapons designer (sorry Russian readers!) to build it for you, he'd be flummoxed as to how to do it, since U-233 is totally outside of the design experience with weapons. Years later, it could be done, but not quickly, and not in a clandestine way. Any way, no matter what, you'll have some amount of U-232 in your U-233, and after six months it will be giving of 2.3 MeV gammas that tell the world "I'm right here! come get me!"

Tom Benson said...

Just saw your Bodman letter with the mention of U233 "spiked" with 232. I suspect this would not be enought to prevent the hue and cry of the ever-present opponents of nuclear power. They will use the U233 as a way to block plans.

I noticed the ThoriumPower folks are mixing 10% U238 in their Thorium blanket rods, in order to foil any chemical reprocessing. What about that?

Tom Benson said...

OK, your U233 plan sounds reasonable. I have to quit for the night, this has been very interesting.

By the way, are McPhereson or Weinberg still around?

Kirk Sorensen said...

Nothing will ever satisfy the truly-committed opponents of nuclear power, and I will not attempt to placate them. I will attempt to design reactors that really are safe, and that really don't produce material for weapons, rather than just seeming to be safe and seeming not to produce weapons materials.

As for the thorium power folks, if they want power from thorium, then they must burn thorium. That implies a conversion ratio of at least 1.0, which they won't be achieving in a reactor that contains U-238. Furthermore, the U-238 will transmute to plutonium and higher actinides in the thermal neutron spectrum, meaning that they're not getting away for multi-thousand year geologic storage issues. If you run the reactor on pure U-233 you will not build transuranics. Furthermore, the LFR design keeps all actinides in the core (where they belong) sending only fission products to disposal.

Kirk Sorensen said...

"Mac" MacPherson died a number of years ago. I spoke briefly on the phone to Dr. Weinberg a few months ago. He had recently suffered a stroke and had difficulty speaking. We spoke very briefly. He said "molten salt was a good idea...molten salt still is a good idea, I hope someone does it." This from the man who holds the patent on the light-water reactor. I expect that Dr. Weinberg won't be with us much longer. He's a very good man, though, and the liquid-fluoride technology would have never survived the 60s without his protection.

Tom Benson said...

Thank you, all wonderful info. I added your link to iNuclear by the way.

Kirk Sorensen said...

I would hasten to point out that we cannot keep heavy water (or light water) liquid at the operating temperatures of the liquid-fluoride fuel (~1000 K). And it is possible to operate with "hot" graphite moderator--the Molten-Salt Reactor Experiment was graphite-moderated and ran very well for over five years. C-14 production is minimal and is not a serious concern due to the very small absorption cross-section of carbon-12.

Jaro said...

The author talks a good deal about "Burning thorium-232..... in a neutronically efficient reactor," but fails to mention that operating with a hot (graphite) moderator reduces that neutronic efficiency (not to mention the production of radioactive Carbon-14, with a half-life of 5730 years).
While its impractical to cool a moderator made of solid bricks -- just as it is difficult to shuffle solid fuel bundles using fuelling machines -- a liquid heavy water moderator is well suited to efficient cooling, and only produces tritium as byproduct, which has a half-life of only a dozen years.
The best combination, IMO, would be a CANDU-type reactor running on liquid fluoride salt fuel.
Without a need for fuelling machines, the core can be turned from horizontal to vertical, eliminating those pesky fuel channel sagging problems.
In any event, with a high-temperature fuel salt, you wouldn't need high-strength pressure tubes to contain the coolant water in the fuel channels.
Altogether a much neater design.

Kirk Sorensen said...

Hi Jaro,

Using deuterium as a moderator would be ideal, and I have searched long and hard for some deuterogenous material that might survive the high operating temperatures of the LFR (~1000 K) without too much success. The most promising candidates I examined were lithium deuteroxide and sodium deuteroxide, but both were quite corrosive at those temperatures. Sodium has an appreciable absorption cross-section, and lithium of course would need to be enriched in the lithium-7 isotope (just like in the LFR fuel salt).

Graphite is not as good a moderator, but has a very low absorption cross-section. But unfortunately, like any covalently-bonded material, it suffers radiation damage due the neutron flux. We really need a moderator just as impervious to radiation damage as the fluoride fuel itself.

jaro said...

Thanks, but I'm not sure I follow you...
The whole point of using D2O instead of graphite is to have as cool a moderator as practicable (in CANDU reactors its cooled to about 80C, while the primary heat transfer circuit pressurized water is at about 300C).
I suspect that what you may be missing is the part about insulating the fuel channels (pressure tubes) from the D2O moderator.
Currently its done using concentric tubes, with a "gas annulus" separating the outer wall of the pressure tubes from the inner wall of the "callandria tube," thus minimizing heat transfer.
The LFR would run much hotter primary circuit tube surface temperatures, so a slightly modified insulation design would be required. But the principle remains: minimize the heat transfer to the moderator, to make cooling it to below 100C practical.

Kirk Sorensen said...

Actually, I understood what you were saying, it's just hard for me to imagine an insulator that could keep fluoride salt at ~750 C while the moderator was only <100 C--and the insulator is stable in high neutron flux and is not absorbing significant amounts of neutrons. The "pressure tube" itself must also be made of a material that's fairly "transparent" to neutrons yet compatible with fluoride salts.

Do you know of such materials? If so, your idea could be very attractive, combining most of the best aspects of the molten-salt reactor with the CANDU.

Kirk Sorensen said...

Thinking about it a little more, if the evacuated gas space could be made suitably insulative, and the tubes themselves could be made thin enough (to reduce neutron absorption) this might be made to work. One big advantage of the fluoride salts would be the fact that they don't have to operate at high pressure.

If you think about it, the classic ORNL designs for the MSR are analogous to the CANDU, with a graphite "calandria" rather than a D2O calandria, and heat transfer to an external salt loop. But D2O would certainly be a better moderator, if this could be made to work.

jaro said...

Currently we use a zirconium alloy (with Niobium) for both the pressure tubes and the callandria tubes. In an LFR, that material would still be OK for the callandria tubes, but the fuel tubes would need to be something refractory to high temperatures. Fortunately, since they're not pressurized, they don't need to be very thick. The neutron absorbtion of the material is not as important, since there is much less of it.
As for insulation materials, there are a few high-temperature ones currently available, and I believe some high-temp. "aero gels" have also been developped in recent years.
All of these are inorganic materials, and as such not susceptible to severe radiation damage (anyway, they're not structural).
Also, they are foam-type materials (low density), often based on silicon and oxygen. As such, they will not absorb neutrons strongly either....

Kirk Sorensen said...

I don't think zirconium would do too well in the salt--there would probably be some propensity to form ZrF4. Alternatively, some fraction of ZrF4 could be intentionally introduced in the salt to keep the reaction in balance. Check out chapter 12 and 13 in Fluid Fuel Reactors for some ideas.

CG129 said...

srry, but i realized at the beginning u hav 2 "3s". Might wanna change that

Kirk Sorensen said...

Sorry about that--thanks for the tip!

MicroImaging said...

I am a Material Scientist with ties back to SRI International and EPRI studies in the Boiling Water and Pressurized Water Reactor Corrosion issues. I did perform some studies with Molten Carbonate Eutectic mixtures in several different type of ceramic vessels, but I have never performed these studies with Molten Flourides.
What would be the replacement rate or localized replacement rate of the Al2O3 with the various flourides. I know it is not 0, but some finite value. Also there would be the concern of breakage of the ceramic containment, thus neccesitiating a double hull arrangement, where the outside hull could a simple steel containment that would have to be kept water free, so that it would not rust.
All these considerations should be taken into effect in the design of such a reactor, and will add to the ultimate cost of the reactor.

alexandra said...

is this blog still active? Kirk - are you available for discussion?

Kirk Sorensen said...

Yes, I'm still here--please join the discussion forum and we can have a very active discussion:

http://www.energyfromthorium.com/forum/

or just email me at:

kirk_sorensen@yahoo.com

c wesley barker said...

I hope some are still following this blog. The last post was over a yearago. The need for thorium powered reactors has once again come into public attention. Has any new info on application come out, or are we sill stuck in the theory phase.

Kirk Sorensen said...

The last post on this thread was a year ago, but the blog has regular updates, and on the discussion forum there are currently over 6000 messages in 650 topics related to thorium and the liquid-fluoride thorium reactor. Please consider joining.